Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? A Methodist pediatrician I used to work with when we both worked for the Feds once said that (local SBC mega) was better organized than Reynolds Tobacco. MBC needs to pray for discernment and examine Davids teachings. The same is true of the underground church today, especially in China. Its like a code for the party apparatus. Lea, have you guys even listened to his sermons?? Dont know. The worst, to me, is that much of this is NOT ministry. He is now our teaching pastor and I am thrilled God brought him to us. Lon Solomon rarely asked for money in my many years at McLean. And often a committee wants Adrian Rogers in a church of 300. WebDavid Platt Introduction: David Platt, The disciples world had just been rocked when Jesus turned their thinking up-side down about what makes someone clean. Local believers who had plenty sharing personally with other local believers who had need? What does any of this have to do with God? The shareholders are proud of their new corporate bakery enterprise. Something feels very wrong about this transition and I am less than overwhelmed by Platt. It is not the whole. Now every believer does have access, but in the church gathered there is order of service (not chaos) and some invested authority (dont want to debate who and how much, just that it exists). David and his wife, Heather, have four children. It was never my preferred choice, though. Prediction: he will come on board full time within a year. Thats better left to the students he and Piper appeal to at their annual Cross Conference. We were an all volunteer army. Its kind of like I got a new boss one time who made a point to tell the organization that he did NOT have an open door policy. abortion, homosexuality or swaying opinion in favour of Trump over Clinton (or the reverse)). Deep stuff like At the Movies or You Asked for It. Platt has always been a figurehead at the IMB, in my opinion. Those words are astonishing to anyone whos been around the SBC for years. 20-25 hours might involve something like translating the passage out of the original language, maybe? One could have successful ministry (cast out demons, heal, & build numerical flocks), yet be told to depart for He never knew you (Matt. For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing (vs 13). @ okrapod: We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?. Throws a different light on things. In kind renumeration is not a salary as you mention. Nonprofits are one of my fields of research. Platt and his team are also reorganizing the board and the IMB is going through significant change.. But seeing it in the best light, the person to whom you spoke was just ignorant and ill-informed, not malicious. At MBC we have a large pastoral staff who make hospital visits, perform weddings and funerals, etc. Just dont ask questions and pay your dues. But making the pulpit and the weekly sermon the center of our spiritual lives seems odd to me. The meetings are usually an hour long. What a perfect way to capture the video presenter multi-site phenomenon. I remember a quote from Rick Warrens The Purpose-Driven Church in which he describes how often he hears pulpit professionals tell him, I just love to preach! Im afraid Lon wanted out and this was the easy road. My advice to everyone is to stop giving them money. its high time for change. Platt fell on the sword by taking the heat during the IMB missionary recall debacle, so this is his parachute. If things do go bad, I could go home to house and spouse, and have my career. theres no way it could really take 20-25 hrs per week!!! He needed to do so because he gets a good salary from the IMB. I was fed by the sermons that Lon Solomon preached during the past year that I attended MBC. However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. That has even helped me turn this not quite the usual parishioner into someone that I am truly glad to see every Sunday. But I also think it has two drawbacks: 1) Not giving it the credence it deserves at one extreme. Look for a church in which the pastor knows your name and will sit by your bedside when you are in the hospital. David Platt (ThM, PhD, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary) is the pastor-teacher of McLean Bible Church, founder of Radical, and a Council member of The Gospel Coalition. Using the same idea to answer another enigma, why did Mark Dever himself give up the entire 9Marks system in order to protect C.J. To our readers What is Jesus gospel? They also repeat the same series of sermons at the same time each year, and the series are the same ones that youll hear at other Arc churches. Hmm-methinks my upbringing has given me an entirely different take on what the preacher should be. We do need bread from heaven we live by the Word of God; it should come from the pulpit, but God can use anyone to bring forth a word, anywhere. Thus, the model in the New Testament is shared leadership. Their national director promoted Thom Rainers miserable article on why pastors should not visit often which explains why the pastoral state of their churches was extremely poor when I attended. No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all, 14, that will be my last Sunday at Brook Hills, and then well begin to shift totally after that.. He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. .The idea that the person doing the preaching must be the same person doing the ministering is really born of later parish systems, not the New Testament text. Id be very interested. He was certainly a captain whom you could rely on to turn up and put in a shift when the team was under pressure. You get character development, plot development and backstory. So yes, I do think they dont really care about the other things, too. Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. 14 When the people saw him[b] do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting![c] 15 When Jesus saw that they were ready to force him to be their king, he slipped away into the hills by himself. Jn 6:15. In an ironic twist, the exact same thing happened at an SBC church my daughter and I attended (some time after my 2nd McLean Bible Church experience) in a different city the pastor became ill and one day announced from the pulpit who his replacement would be not even the elders appeared involved in this situation. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. And Platt would be doing the job he was hired to do and the Trustees would be doing their jobs as well. He was the celebrity Pastor who would get the young men excited. There is absolutely nothing of Jesus Christ in any of it. It certainly wasn't dealing with parents extreme mental illness for 30 years, health problems of both sets of departed parents raising my sister when we had a new baby and the teenage junk she put us thu, it certainly wasn't when my husband lost the use of arm to a accident and spent a year at p.t , it certainly wasn't when my accident caused me a bum leg and I still do my housework dragging it around. (2 Corinthians 11:3), Bet your proverbial @zz, MBC is being played, Spy McLean has gradually lost the credibility it once had back in the 80s and 90s. More amazing is members will do so. Not a people person, very opinionated despite his humble exterior. Its because, not so deep down, they know that they themselves are no more than bloggers; the only difference being that they read some of their blog posts out to an audience on a Sunday morning. You must have T.U.L.I.P., the doctrines of grace. You are correct if one finds a 501(c)3 church establishment which has all the makings/trappings of being a place where one man is apparently in charge, this is certainly not a true biblical representation of a local body of Christ. Nope. ADA Jesus, You Are Able If you have a good class and good friends in that class, keep going. In growth and maturity, we need to feed others, and to be served, ourselves both. * But that is in keeping with his I sacrifice and live in the bad part of town for the gospel even though I travel all the time and so only my family really has to endure living there from day to day.. It is very sad. The non-denominational fellowship had its services in I think it was the auditorium of a middle school in McLean, VA. As I recall, the teaching was Bible-based and for the most part spot on. But, and this is key: most of the day-to-day organizational leadership in large organizations and churches is done by choosing good people in both places. If you had a church in a city that had been owned free and clear for a 100 years it would end up being impossible to run if it wasnt flush with cash. We called a man (we were SBC)to preach. I am taking a seminary course at the moment on pastoral leadership in a conservative seminary. (Communion servers switch around, so not every time, but it has definitely happened from the pastor. +++++++++++++++++++++++. But the church leaders who are in bed with the Gospel Coalition and selling books by Mahaney himself, or DeYoung, Carson, Piper and the others really should know better. I recall attending a church where the congregation would share some testimony, praise, blessing, etc. Notes: Ok, maybe Im missing something but hes offering to preach for free. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. While Platt will not be able to repeatedly use a handful of go to sermons at his church he will be able to utilize his notes from years of preaching at The Church at Brook Hills., While Platt may not technically be drawing a salary from McLean Bible Church my guess is that in a church of that size there are some wealthy members who are providing some sort of financial renumeration to Platt. Apparently this post is getting a lot of play out there. Paul talks about the fellowship of His sufferings. April 2004. And I think a pastor saying they will NOT do these things says something negative about their attitude. This is a network of churches Smyth started while preaching in South Africa and is attempting to expand into the USA, but again, it doesnt appear to me that CLC members are getting an honest days work for the salary they are paying Smyth, but the average member doesnt seem overly concerned about that. Webdoes david platt have a speech impediment. I know many folks like me at Mclean. This enhances the body that we are serving and being served no one is exempt from either one. Translation: I want the congregation to pay me (out of their hard earned money) to read John Piper and Gospel Glitterati books all day and fob off the real work to someone else. The church is the Bride of Christ, it is a place to make disciples and make the Gospel known. When he was three my son once told a woman in the checkout line that I once threw him like a football. ishy wrote: Personally, this is sad because we have a long-ago connection to McLean Bible. He left a very happy, happy manno persecution there! They must have gone in in laparoscopically. This year Ive been watching 5 churches that broadcast their worship live on Sundays. Heres the line he gave then when questioned about the issue: http://www.bpnews.net/43260/www.bpnews.net/43240/cooperation-central-to-platts-vision-at-imb. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are exercised in a corporate setting. He looks nothing like David Platt. Do we then marginalize the spiritually handicapped after weve sold them the uniform white, conforming to you, mass produced bread? Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? Thanks for chiming in! The church has completely lost its relevance. Couldnt one set up some form of webcast in order to preach_the_gospel in Nepal or anywhere else? not just attend! I explain I cant do funerals, visits, phone calls, or meetings. And that was his only job then. Today isnt all that special nor or we so special that we just know more than God. OK, Dont let the door hit your tutu on the way out! Seriously, is this Hollywood or the church of Jesus Christ? What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. I dont think this is the only issue, but I think it is one. @ Law Prof: Today isnt news to Him. stroke. A current trend where I live.sounds stupid to me. But have you ever noticed the way he kind of empasizes the c sound. I find it interesting that Paul never did this, at least in his letters. We plan to revisit this matter in our February trustee meeting.. Yes, but Platt played the deep sense of calling (from God) card. Prediction: I bet he resigns from the IMB and this is the first step to getting his ducks in a row. (But seriously, 20-25 hrs a week on prep? We are to go into all the world and BE witnesses. Smyth has preached 20 out of a possible 35 Sundays since he was hired! It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. Rumor has it that the IMB is super mucked up financially. thats totally awesome. Most of the congregation will never realize this as they are caught up in the cult of personality. Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. One of the commenters proceeded to lecture me on how everyone has the same 24 hours in a day and that I was just being lazy on getting my own information. I very much agree that many Christians do this quite well without drawing attention to themselves do you mean positional recognition? I hear you. Sometimes because of past hurts in churches, when I go to a church service, I just want to be an anonymous person who sits in the back. Yes but the issue of him and Calvin being promoters of Valentinian Gnosticism was put to bed a long time ago. extremely disappointing, disillusioning. As a Christian of many years, Christ feeds me in many ways, in many places. In fact I sympathise with them to a certain extent, and perhaps I should do so to a greater extent insofar as they not unlike me. One thing that does often seem to be missing in men and women these days is Godly wisdom. Web9. United prayer, therefore, requires that the one for whom we pray be looking away from us to the Lord Jesus Christ, and we together look to Him alone (1), respectfully, as you anticipate heavenly things, make every effort to be found at peace with The Lord Jesus, and that pressing towards being without spot or blemish, growing in the grace and knowledge of our Savior Jesus Christ. the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. Didnt know why that put Okrapods named instead of TEDSgrad. We were rather shocked about his attitude toward pastoring. I attended McLean Bible for about 4 years starting in 2000 and it certainly wasnt Neo Cal then. Full time pastor.TGC chairman. Every church needs an actual pastor who actually is physically present and actually knows and cares for his people. This is indirectly related to this topic.I am questioning the current practice of satellite churches.where a church starts another location with the pastor appearing via webcam. To slightly turn the phrase, may your non-tribe increase. As does a real paster, of course. Reminds me of a famous one-liner by the late and much-loved English comedian Bob Monkhouse: When I said I was going to become a comedian, they all laughed. She would send me links and all kinds of stuff and say she swears it is all linked together somehow with these guys. This is one of the things my church actually makes a concerted effort to doopen the facilities throughout the week to various groups. He isnt married in order to allow him to be the uberparent to the parish. You will realize why you cannot live up to his standards.He is *better* than you although he will tell you he is the worst sinner that he knows. Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. The father. Its a fair question. Or mainly? As others have already stated here, he is exhausting to listen to, and we feel very beat up after his sermons. Quite a change in 20 years. David Eigenberg isn't deaf in real life, thus he doesn't need hearing aids or have speech problems. Exactly. Of course, you can do some evangelism at the church site. He has spent some of those weeks off preaching at Advance conferences. Most people happen to believe that a pastor should be more than a podcast on legs. Bridget, I just see things through a very different lens. As Teaching Pastor at MBC, Dr. Platt would continue the pattern of being with his family in this local church approximately 65% of his weekends. TEDS, while non-denom, is still owned and funded by the E Free. In my opinion, the real trick is how much of that stuff do you (generic you) wanna extrapolate out the Bibles way back when and try an make it apply in the here and now? But it is so much easier than getting off our collective duffs and doing our own jobs, huh? If a merger is in the works (someone at SBC Today suggested that might be the case and was chided by a writer at SBCVoices for writing it which made me think its true) Ezell seems like the likely candidate. It makes me wonder what hes running from. Mohler does as he pleases, as far as I can tell. My problem with some of what is being said here is that the bible never says that it is a procedure manual for how to do church for cross-cultural purposes or for perpetuity or for that matter even in the first century. You both nailed it to the wall! Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. David Platt has openly talked about the need to recruit and go after 18 to 25 year old students for their ultimate goals and purposes. Would David have shirttails untucked or wear a polo shirt if he was marrying someones child? In Hebrew, the verb to shepherd literally means to feed. Ed Stetzer and the Four Fence Posts that Define His Ministry, https://thouarttheman.org/2014/03/11/docent-group-should-dump-driscoll-and-hire-mahaney/, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xysVNigCsU, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBOG8BRcdY, http://www.bpnews.net/49530/harveybattered-churches-sue-for-fema-funds, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I4vnQc59N-w, http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/A%20Defense%20of%20Calvinism%20by%20Spurgeon.pdf, http://www.christianebooks.com/TheGrahamFormulaDownload.pdf, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llNnlE6Hbuc, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5R08xDC6c, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HPqDaKajSnQ, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MdQINUBlPno, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEHZ_-mE7Ao, http://www.metrolyrics.com/wake-me-up-inside-lyrics-evanescence.html, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mvDQWOQ2iI, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LML6SoNE7xE. I am a member of MBCbut now a former member as of today. Platt tries to have it both ways. He wants to affirm the Bibles commands and then wants to finesse allowing people into the church who vote for policies that God prohibits. Then, Platt reveals his key concernsome people might get their feelings hurt. Its the most important part of the Baptist church, in the eyes of many. @ dee: ), I keep hearing that echo from that 9Marks newsletter I read online, where someone asked what to do if people didnt want to sign a covenant, and the answer was to reason with them and then ease them out if they wouldnt sign. Because healthy community is missional. So while I dislike Platts platitudes in general, Ive no problem with him supply preaching for the church. No worries, Arnold. But a sermon writing service? The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. For those across the pond, ConAggerback is word play on ConAgra and Saddleback Church, and General Willow Mills is play on General Mills and Willow Creek. I butted heads with him over working moms and finally over Radical, and after 4 years of having those concerns ignored, my family joined the hundreds of people who left Brook Hills during his time in the pulpit. Was Peter a pastor to these souls or just a talking head? A lot of nonsense is talked about peoples fear of public speaking. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. rather, an unpaid volunteer gifted in compassion & empathy. And yet, in spite of all that, that man led them in circles for forty years until everyone whod started on the journey was dead and desiccating in the desertand even that humble man himself blew it and died without entering the Promised Land. A lot of replies sound speculative . As far as one being the outgrowth of the other. You can read between the lines Im sure and see how the David Platt thing fits into all of this. And, I suppose, the crowds can just forget it; how many people have houses that big? sigh. Some are completely reasonable, and some would run any old church in an area that appreciated out of town. http://www.christianebooks.com/TheGrahamFormulaDownload.pdf. Im not there yet. @ AnonInNC: This type can be described as an unusual repetition of sounds or rhythm. Im astonished this is not the done thing, at least in my town. This money comes to you tax free, as you (unlike the rest of us Americans who dont have pastor or Reverend in front of our names) do not have to pay federal income tax on that portion. I dont understand the appeal in attending something like that. Unless you show me some passages that demonstrate it was the norm. 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